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All You Need to Know About Obama's VP Options

Washington Dispatch: Now that Obama has nearly clinched the nomination, who's on tap to be his running mate? Your guide to the contenders.

June 3, 2008


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Barack Obama, the likely Democratic nominee, has two options in his hunt for a partner on the Democratic ticket. He can double down on strengths or he can compensate for weaknesses. If he mimics the last Democratic president and chooses the former (Bill Clinton selected another young Southerner, Al Gore, in 1992), the decision-making process is relatively easy: Find someone youthful and energetic with a devotion to reform, a foreign policy approach that rejects conventional wisdom, and a short or nonexistent Washington resume. If Obama chooses the latter, however, things are decidedly more complex. Does he choose a VP who bolsters the ticket on foreign policy or on executive experience? Is there anyone with foreign policy expertise who isn't a creature of Washington? Does he find someone with appeal to working-class voters in Appalachia or white women nationwide? What about Jews in Florida and Latinos in the Southwest? And hanging over all of this is the geographic question—does Obama pick someone who hails from a swing state that he or she can deliver?

There is not a lot of evidence that suggests vice presidential candidates make a serious difference (good or bad) for the ticket. Two words: Dan Quayle. One study showed that a veep pick can increase a ticket's performance by less than one half of one percent in the VP's home state. Presidential candidates do not assume the assets (or race, or gender) of their running mates, and voters generally focus on the top of the ticket. The most important questions for Obama may be the simplest. Which potential VP can be president should the unthinkable happen, and whom can Obama spend four (or eight) harmonious years with in the White House?

With these caveats in mind, let's look at the contenders. Hillary Clinton isn't on this list—not because she is an unlikely pick, but because the merits of adding her to the ticket have been debated ad nauseam.

Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-Kan.), 60
Sebelius is frequently mentioned because she is a living embodiment of Obama's message. She won the governorship of deep red Kansas in 2002 and 2006. In both campaigns, she convinced a Republican to switch to the Democratic Party in order to become her lieutenant governor. In 2006, Sebelius also recruited the then-Republican district attorney in Johnson County to run as a Democrat for attorney general against a Republican incumbent. He did, and he won.

Sebelius is also on the list because it is assumed she will strengthen Obama's support among female voters. But is that really true? Will women who are devoted to Hillary Clinton warm to Sebelius simply because she is a woman? That would be a fairly patronizing assumption for Obama and his strategists to make. And hardcore Clinton supporters may by angered if Obama selects a female running mate who isn't Hillary Clinton. A final consideration on the topic of gender is whether putting an African American and a woman on the same ticket is too much of a political risk in a country that has elected neither to the top office.

Sebelius has other advantages. Because she has worked with a Republican legislature, she has been forced to issue bold vetoes of abortion restrictions, a harsh voter identification measure, and the creation of new coal plants. She is also anti-death penalty. In sum, Sebelius is a strong and successful progressive in a state where one doesn't expect to find them.

Her lack of foreign policy credentials and Kansas' paltry six electoral votes are liabilities. And no discussion of Sebelius is complete without a mention of her soporific response to Bush's 2008 State of the Union address. Given the opportunity to showcase her talents, Sebelius came off as wooden and uninspiring. For one speech at least, she was the anti-Obama.

Gov. Ted Strickland (D-Ohio), 66
Governors and senators from Ohio are always going to be considered (Strickland isn't the only Buckeye State lawmaker on this list), but Strickland brings more than just pull with the swingiest of states. The son of a steelworker, and a former Methodist minister who promised to follow "biblical principles" when he ran for governor in 2006, Strickland can probably appeal to those fabled working-class whites, if anyone can.

Though Strickland has only been governor since 2007 (he won 20 percent of Republicans and 69 percent of independents in his fight against then-Secretary of State Ken Blackwell), he did represent Ohio for six terms in the House before moving to the mansion. During that time, Strickland was instrumental in creating SCHIP, the federal government's leading program providing health care for underprivileged children. In fact, it was during the genesis of SCHIP that Strickland came to know then-first lady Hillary Clinton, whose presidential candidacy he endorsed. That fact alone wouldn't make Strickland a thorny pick, but he did parrot some of the Clinton campaign's harshest criticisms of Obama.

Age is a factor with Strickland. Of concern to the Democratic Party, though perhaps not to Obama, is whether the VP pick will be able to carry its flag eight years down the line. Initiating an era of long-term progressive governance requires someone who is young, energetic, and inoffensive to most or all of the factions within the party. In that case, Strickland, who will be 74 in 2016, most certainly isn't their guy.



 

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You forgot Tom Daschle and the guy, forgot his name, who endorsed Obama and campaigned with him in PA. Easy to forget in Oregon but a very impressive working relationship.
Posted by:Gaias ChildJune 3, 2008 1:00:12 PMRespond ^
For the sake of the country and indeed the world lets hope Barack hussian Obama doesn't have to woory about a running mate and drops out of consideration for the presidency. if he is a man of honor that is what he would do now. america doesn't need him
Posted by:ronnieJune 3, 2008 1:21:46 PMRespond ^
I wonder if he's already paid for all these big endorsements such as sam nunns.
payback is going to be rough when he loses. could be the his extremeist backers maight want their money back
Posted by:ronnieJune 3, 2008 1:24:04 PMRespond ^
Why has Mark Warner, the former Gov. of Virginia not been considered?
Posted by:Sonia LewisJune 3, 2008 1:25:19 PMRespond ^
Hussian could pick teddy kennedy as a running mate. both are about on the same level, and if teddy were to go swimming with michele he would have an excelance excuse for leaving her under water.
Posted by:ronnieJune 3, 2008 1:25:44 PMRespond ^
Sonia Lewis ; No one likes warner . in fact i cannot see where any of the protential vice-presidential hopefuls could withstand investigation. Obama himself is at risk if he does buy enough delegates.between now and november his terrorist roots will haunt him
Posted by:ronnieJune 3, 2008 1:29:18 PMRespond ^
Ronnie, you are in for eight years of enlightenment with Obama as President - you should not fear but prepare to rejoice! No more Bush lies!
Posted by:hot rodJune 3, 2008 1:45:35 PMRespond ^
I'd vote for the Tooth Fairy before I would vote any ticket that had Hillary on it.
Posted by:ShannonJune 3, 2008 1:52:41 PMRespond ^
Based on the comments this site is a magnet for kooks. Get use to saying President Obama.
Posted by:BoJune 3, 2008 1:54:50 PMRespond ^
Oh please do not let his VP be Hillary!

The Clintons:

Bill was impeached, did not inhale, did not have sex with that woman, and missed abundant chances to hit a less organized Osama Bin laden. The Trade Center bombing may never have happened if he spent more time working at his desk rather than "partying" with Monica on top of it! Hillary "well remembers!" being shot at in Bosnia also!

The Clintons belong in a '72 Detroiter singlewide trailer somewhere outside of
Little Rock! GOOD RIDDANCE!!!
Posted by:Jeff SmytheJune 3, 2008 1:59:29 PMRespond ^
All you need to know about the VP candidates is Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. She is strong where he is weak and he is strong where she is weak. They are a match made in heaven. They other most important thing is that polls show that if Clinton, Gore, or Edwards is on the ticket, Obama polls 10 pts higher against McCain. Gore isn't taking the spot. Edwards might, but if Clinton nods here head, she has the job. We are about to make history.
Posted by:Don AllenJune 3, 2008 2:02:36 PMRespond ^
Ronnie, if you re-read your own comments you might understand (one hopes) why a high-school education, at least, would be a good thing (to paraphrase Gandhi..) The country has voted, overwhelmingly, for him ... so how do you infer that the country doesn't need him ? Never mind, perhaps you misspelled "County" ...
Posted by:salJune 3, 2008 2:03:11 PMRespond ^
As I read these comments about who should he pick and how to win this state or that. This is a man who is running on the image of something new and giving the masses some form of hope that we can move on and into a new era. As I read the choices presented, I could not help feeling they are the same old message carriers as before. Then it came to me the name Kennedy. I thought of Robert Jr. and or Patrick and even Kathleen. They all know goverment, they all have fresh ideals and have fought for the people and the legacy of their name creates the illusion of a new era and hope and youth. Ideas, vision and the voice of the people is what is needed in the new Presidency of America. My choice would be Robert Jr. I know it won't happen but I would hope Obama would consider going outside the box and pick a running mate that will help the country emerge from the dark shadows of this current regime. We need intelligents, compassion and someone to work for the people and not against the people. Saddly this has been missing for the past 7 years.
Posted by:WallaceJune 3, 2008 2:21:59 PMRespond ^
What about Bloomberg? He has deep pockets, economic expertise and would help repair Obamas image in the Jewish community (hello, Florida).
Posted by:Jeff SummersJune 3, 2008 2:34:32 PMRespond ^
That's just ridiculous!
Posted by:EthanCorsoJune 3, 2008 3:04:36 PMRespond ^
this person named ronnie really has a problem
Posted by:johnjJune 3, 2008 3:44:02 PMRespond ^
Yes indeed, ronnie has a problem. And that is why we should ignore him. He is really "georgie" in disguise.
Posted by:CherylJune 3, 2008 4:33:56 PMRespond ^
How about John Stewart for VP?
Posted by:JJune 3, 2008 5:03:59 PMRespond ^
I think it is also important to note that Gov. Kathleen Sebelius also has strong ties to Ohio, as she herself is from Ohio and her Father is Former Gov. John Gilligan of Ohio.
Posted by:Janey SmithJune 3, 2008 8:17:19 PMRespond ^
As long as Hillary McClinton is not being
offered the VP all will be ok.I wouldn`t trust her and her creepy,lunatic friends from the AIPAC,if I was Obama !!
Real change will only be possible when these evil forces are eliminated for good.
Posted by:RyanJune 4, 2008 1:19:22 AMRespond ^
Let's keep in mind that the MOST IMPORTANT thing is to be sure Obama beats McSAME this November!

Although I don't like Hillary any more because I believe she should have dropped out about two months ago, she has so much strong support in some areas that she would help assure a win.

Obama/Clinton 08!!!
Posted by:Lifelong DemocratJune 4, 2008 8:10:08 AMRespond ^
Why not Al Gore?
Posted by:Tallahassee LassieJune 4, 2008 11:01:17 AMRespond ^
ditto!
Posted by:m bendimezJune 4, 2008 11:06:14 AMRespond ^
What about McCaskill? Arguably more than anyone else on your list, she and barack get along very well - their affection for one another is obvious. And she's from Missouri, an important purple state, she's young....
Posted by:helghartJune 4, 2008 11:08:05 AMRespond ^
you are an idiot.
Posted by:chrisskyJune 4, 2008 11:35:54 AMRespond ^
Tom Daschle?
Posted by:TJune 4, 2008 11:47:12 AMRespond ^
The war was a mistake and those that voted for it failed on the single biggest test of political leadership in our time. Having anyone on the ticket who supported the invasion would dilute Obama's ability to debate McCain and the Republicans on that critical issue.

No one is talking about him but I think that the Obama campaign should consider as VP, Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island. As the only Republican that voted against the war Sen. Chafee would be a walking talking example of a Republican that got it right and who was a true maverick who has not turned in his convictions to cater to the extreme right of his party.

Chafee would be a strong draw for disenfranchised Republicans and unlike Hagel, the fact that he is pro-choice, pro-basic rights and an early supporter of Obama's candidacy means little down side for progressive Democrats.

In his new book: "Against the Tide: How a Compliant Congress Empowered a Reckless President" Chafee advocates the kind of bi-partisan change that Obama has made central to his candidacy.

Jef Green
Portland, OR
Posted by:Jef GreenJune 4, 2008 12:31:04 PMRespond ^
i'd vote for the bloomberg obama ticket - i think that would be great.
Posted by:beccaJune 4, 2008 12:37:48 PMRespond ^
ronnie - i hate to say this but you sound like a bitter republican - its amazing how trite you guys can be - you have been watching too much Bill O'Reilly. Say something intelligent and well informed if you're going to be on this - it will ultimately make you look better anyway.
Posted by:XoxiJune 4, 2008 12:40:01 PMRespond ^
I think Hillary would help win votes more than any of the other candidates. In head-to-head polls with McCain, she wins the key states of Ohio and Florida, whereas Obama loses Fla and is very iffy in Ohio. Conversely, Obama has a chance to win NM, NV and Co out west, Iowa, Wis and maybe Michigan in the midwest, plus Virginia.

They complement each other very well. Former Clinton advisor Dick Morris says she wouldn't bring in any extra votes, that the people who voted for her in the primaries who say they wouldn't vote for Obama wouldn't vote for any Dem candidate. I don't buy it. If Obama's advisors have any sense, they will at least commission some test polls to see if she brings all her top of the ticket edges over McCain to a ticket in which she is no. 2. If she does, she ought to be strongly considered, despite all the baggage. If not, move on, since I assume Obama's preferences are not to have her on the ticket.

Of those listed here, Richardson seems the best. He has a lot of experience, including foreign policy, but is not perceived as a long-time Washington player opposed to change. Plus he can help Obama win those three western states.

After that, Sherrod Brown maybe, but he is not very well known.
Posted by:AndyJune 4, 2008 12:49:43 PMRespond ^
I think Hillary would help win votes more than any of the other candidates. In head-to-head polls with McCain, she wins the key states of Ohio and Florida, whereas Obama loses Fla and is very iffy in Ohio. Conversely, Obama has a chance to win NM, NV and Co out d to change. Plus he can help Obama win those three western states.

After that, Sherrod Brown maybe, but he is not very well known.
Posted by:AndyJune 4, 2008 12:49:43 PMRespond ^
Why are so many people ignoring Russ Feingold? Kerry won Wisconsin by only a few votes. Feingold is a bodacious speaker and debater, extremely intelligent, was against the Iraq war at the same time Obama was, is totally in touch with Obama's domestic policies, AND he's Jewish so he can have a serious impact in Florida.
Posted by:Larry McDJune 4, 2008 1:06:26 PMRespond ^
You can rule out Senators. The Dems need to hold onto Senate seats and a ticket with two Senators historically doesn't win. A governor would bring executive experience that Obama lacks as well as reinforce his Washington outsider message. The best pick would be Kathleen Sebelius. Her SOTU response was dull but she can be coached on how to deliver speeches. And while Hillary supporters may be angered at first that a woman other than Hillary was chosen, they'll get over it because just like with Hillary, the want to see the glass ceiling broken.
Posted by:DennyCraneJune 4, 2008 1:06:30 PMRespond ^
Ronnie, crawl back under your rock.
Posted by:BillyJune 4, 2008 1:41:10 PMRespond ^
Ronnie, try to get some sleep. The grownups are talking.
Posted by:billyJune 4, 2008 1:43:10 PMRespond ^
Hillary! That way she will STILL become president after Obama is shot.
Posted by:BeaJune 4, 2008 1:45:58 PMRespond ^
Blanche Lincoln anyone? Moderate, a Southerner, Female with that calm motherly feel about her, and can put Arkansas in play. Only draw down is a lost seat in the senate.
Posted by:HigsJune 4, 2008 1:46:10 PMRespond ^
sherrod brown, does not accept the medical package available to him as a senator and says he will not accept it till it is available to all.
Posted by:anny loringJune 4, 2008 1:52:26 PMRespond ^
You mis-characterize Wes Clark as some "Johnny-come-lately" to progressive politics. All his life was spent as a progressive in one form or another.
It is time to appreciate just how lucky we are to have this national treasure. Just a few items:

--Clark was always butting heads with the stereotypical "macho" military Neanderthals because he saw the horrors of war firsthand in Vietnam and always espoused "diplomacy first."
--Clark was one of the leaders of the all-volunteer Army created after the Vietnam debacle. To keep personnel in you had to do a good job of providing for their family needs, health, education, equal opportunity.
--Clark actually won environmental awards at bases under his command.
--When Clark was working at the Pentagon in the mid-90s, he was virtually the only voice crying out to intervene in Rwanda.
--It was Clark's voice, along with Madeline Albright, who persuaded the Clinton Admin., over the objections of the Pentagon, to stop the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Tell the Kosovar Albanians that Wes Clark isn't a liberal, progressive, humanitarian.
--It was Wes Clark's voice prior to the Iraq invasion who urged that we exhaust all possible diplomatic means before any military action, including in testimony to Congress.
--It was Wes Clark who filed an Amicus Curiae brief in the University
of Michigan affirmative action case.
--It was Wes Clark who committed an ultimate act of political courage by appearing on the cover of the Advocate (gay rights magazine)during the '04 primaries.


Posted by:xkenxJune 4, 2008 1:54:19 PMRespond ^
I THINK SHERROD BROWN WOULD BE THE BEST CHOICE..........OBAMA NEEDS A STRONG ANTI NAFTA DEMOCRATIC VP PICK TO WIN BACK ALL THE VOTERS BILL CLINTON SOLD OUT........IF HE THINKS A FEMALE VP HELPS WIN THE ELECTION THEN
GO WITH MARCY KAPTUR ALSO FROM OHIO
Posted by:Bobby DeckerJune 4, 2008 2:03:15 PMRespond ^
I for one want to see Hillary on the ticket as VP. If not I won't be voting for anyone. Hillary was used really bad by the Media. SHE IS SMART AND SHOWED HER STRENGTH MANY TIMES! Without Hillary... Obama is nothing. Obama NO BETTER than McCain.
Hillary for VP and if Obama wants to win against McCain he better listen.
Posted by:A DemoJune 4, 2008 2:04:21 PMRespond ^
Becca, it would Obama/Bloomberg, if you mean what I think you mean. Mr. Bloomberg is not the Democratic nominee, Senator Obama is. The top person on the ticket is usually named first.
Posted by:MISTYJune 4, 2008 2:11:48 PMRespond ^
Comments by A Demo makes her seem like a child who takes his toys home when he does not get his way.(Using both genders in that sentence was not an error.)

"Hillary! That way she will STILL become president after Obama is shot.
Posted by:BeaJune 4, 2008 1:45:58" sounds like a terroristic comment. People like her should be watched closely. Unfortunately we have so many nuts that seem to harmless but could easily be used by astute malevolents. Bea is not capable of carrying out any such threat on her own but could easily be used as a Manchurian candidate.
Posted by:MISTYJune 4, 2008 2:25:18 PMRespond ^
Jim Webb. He has the resume, the focus, and the distance from politics-as-usual. Also, he is an impressive human being.
Posted by:Thomas AlvaJune 4, 2008 2:27:02 PMRespond ^
Of all those you profiled, Sherrod Brown seems to have the most appeal and promise, at first glance.

You neglected to mention Al Gore. Based on some things he has said lately, I think he could be convinced to do it.
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/243

Posted by:LisaJune 4, 2008 2:30:38 PMRespond ^
There is an excellent article that came out in the U.K's Telegraph that says Obama's team is negotiating Hillary as the Secretary of Health with Edwards as the Attorney General and Joe Biden as Secretary of State.
God knows when I lived there they always seemed to know what was going on in U.S. politics before anyone here did.
Personally, I think Richardson would make an excellent choice; the thesis he wrote regarding his nomination bid was eloquent and intelligent.
Posted by:completemayhemJune 4, 2008 2:30:54 PMRespond ^
If it is true that the VP choice adds almost nothing to the ticket - then why are we rehashing all these old politicians who would bring (fill in expertise, experience, etc).

Obama should choose someone he can work with, someone with the same vision who can help him advance his agenda. It is going to take a huge amount of work, a huge amount of arm-twisting in the House (and possibly the Senate) to get the legislation passed he needs.

Obama is advocating for a new way of doing things - he doesn't need a same-old, same-old bucking him at every step. And that includes Ms. Clinton, unfortunately.

Let him get someone really NEW!
Posted by:lokywoky bitter husseinJune 4, 2008 2:32:51 PMRespond ^
Ryan...what are you talking about....quit drinking....bad for you
Posted by:sandyJune 4, 2008 3:16:00 PMRespond ^
Hillery would be fine as VP. Trouble is her husband. Her vise presidency will be swallowed up by Bill and his ego.
Posted by:sandyJune 4, 2008 3:20:53 PMRespond ^
u r sick!!! get help
Posted by:sandyJune 4, 2008 3:30:08 PMRespond ^
this country is not ready for a black man and a Jewish man even if they are the best people to change this country from where it is now to where it should be....fabulous.
Posted by:sandyJune 4, 2008 3:33:07 PMRespond ^
Oh God, please don't take Ted Strickland from us. We finally have a sane Governor and we'd like to keep him, thanks anyway.
Posted by:Dana SeilhanJune 4, 2008 4:08:43 PMRespond ^
My first choice for veep is Clinton, but I still won't be voting, not because I'm a brat and wanna take my toys and go home but because this is just the latest time American women have been expected to take a back seat to black men. It is insulting and humiliating for all of us even when we don't necessarily agree with Clinton on everything.

That said, if she isn't the veep pick then why not HHS? Edwards could be the attorney general. Gore could be EPA head. I mean, c'mon, let's run with this and put some really strong Dems out there. I won't be complicit in throwing women under the bus again by actively voting, but if the Dems are sensible about this I guess I'll cheer for them from the sidelines.
Posted by:Dana SeilhanJune 4, 2008 4:24:56 PMRespond ^
obama , do the right thing,. go back to chicago
Posted by:rickJune 4, 2008 4:35:44 PMRespond ^
PREDICTION FOR VP : Biden, Richardson or Daschle in that order. If Barack had his choice, he'd pick Biden. They are alter-egos in everyway. Totally out of the question are: Hillary, Chuck Hagel, and Sebellius. Fundamentally, Hillary and Barack just don't like each other personally and intellectually in my opinion. Outside chance would be Wesley Clark.
Posted by:KentJune 4, 2008 4:40:06 PMRespond ^
Hey Ronnie, guess you haven't heard, the World is behind Obama.
Posted by:Tom KatJune 4, 2008 5:32:19 PMRespond ^
Please, are there still ppl out there who think he's a Muslim, or that his middle name means he's a terrorist? Barack (originally) comes from the Hebrew Baruch, meaning blessed. Why else do u think the Jewish community doesn't buy the name game BS?
Posted by:Brian in FLJune 4, 2008 6:46:35 PMRespond ^
All us good life long Democrats have people we like and would love to see in
a Vice President place on this ticket.
I could not pick any 1 person because the country has many good VPs in the democratic party at this time.
Posted by:DannyJune 4, 2008 7:04:43 PMRespond ^
Barack and Hillary is the worst possible combination fot the Dems. John Edwards would be my choice. He was number three in the primaries and has a similar message, plus the ability to attract working class southern voters.
Posted by:Onkel MaxJune 4, 2008 7:35:09 PMRespond ^
Hey Dana Seilhan:

[My first choice for veep is Clinton, but I still won't be voting, not because I'm a brat and wanna take my toys and go home but because this is just the latest time American women have been expected to take a back seat to black men. It is insulting and humiliating for all of us even when we don't necessarily agree with Clinton on everything.]

So if not voting isn't like taking your toys and going home because you didn't get what you want, then what is? You are just as bad as the racists who won't vote for Barack because he's black when you make comments like that. 'Women taking a back seat to black men??' What is that all about? This primary wasn't about race or sex, it was about the issues (although try telling that to Clinton supporters). Women who scream about Hillary getting the shaft by the media is just plan bullsh*t. I am a woman and I am ASHAMED of Hillary Clinton and her nasty tactics during this campaign. It has NOTHING to do with her being a woman, and all this sexist crap I keep hearing from women about all of us being 'disenfranchised' and discriminated against makes me sick. I USED TO have lots of respect for Hillary and Bill, but no more. It is THEIR fault she lost - not black men, not me, not the Superdelegates, but HER. She ran a nasty, deceitful, lie-filled campaign, SHE pulled the race and sex card whenever she felt like it, and Obama didn't rise to most of her baits. He was a gentleman and a great campaigner and fundraiser and he deserved to win. And he is the only one who can beat McCain in November, NOT Hillary. All you Hillary supporters are on serious drugs if you think she could have won the General Election - the Repugs were just waiting in the wings, salivating, waiting with all their dirty laundry of the Clintons - waiting to spew it all at her until November because Barack was too much of a gentleman to do it for them. She's TOAST and will NEVER be Obama's VP.

Get over your sexist, racist self! Some of us women don't WANT Hillary representing us - she is a LIAR and a horrible excuse for a woman!
Posted by:MaggieJune 4, 2008 7:41:36 PMRespond ^
I"m one of the few people who hoped Bill Richardson would get the nod for Democratic nominee. Since that didn't happen, I still believe he would be the most qualified to be Obama's V.P. Not only because of his foreign policy in-the-trenches experience, which, as McCain likes to point out, Obama lacks, but also because of his experience as energy secretary. Although barely discussed since he left the stage, Richardson was the only candidate to recognize that Energy Independence is critical to the future of the United States. Obama too, recognizes that for security, jobs, and global warming reasons, we must regain the initiative in energy matters - Richardson has the most experience to help him get there. He also arguably has the most experience, period, of any of the contenders and no serious baggage. He gets along with Obama and, dispite his turning his back on Clinton to endorse Obama, will be fondly thought of by anyone who remembers the Bill Clinton era. Finally, he is a fluent spanish speaker, and could certainly help more than the typical 1/2 percent V.P. choice in swinging much-needed hispanic votes Obama's way (think: the thumping Obama took in Peurto Rico; Obama needs this constiuency).
Posted by:Scott BakerJune 4, 2008 8:14:33 PMRespond ^
hope and truth would be an exciting bi-partisan prospect for me. ron paul. the hope of reinstated civil liberties, and a smaller, less intrusive government.
Posted by:blufordJune 4, 2008 8:30:47 PMRespond ^
The best woman out there to match with Barack is Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri. She is sharp as a razor, and has risen from the working class. I don't know where she's been lately, but earlier in the campaign she was speaking for Barack on a few pundit shows. Pass the word.
Posted by:Jersey JabJune 4, 2008 8:49:42 PMRespond ^
I agree with Scott Baker that Gov. Richardson looks good for the VP position. As far as Hillary goes, she fought a good (if a bit whiney) fight, and Obama showed his best side in not rising to her use of the race card to bait him. Hillary will be very useful to the party as a Senator from New York and she can always run again in 2016. Whomever Obama picks for VP, his campaign has its work cut out to counter the Republican organization's considerable expertise in the use of subtle and not-so-subtle whispering campaigns, and outright slanders and lies. He needs to stay positive and unperturbed when attacked, while confronting those attacks with decisiveness and truth. Obama has a lot of work to do: Not the least, to convince working class Democrats and disgruntled Republicans that what this country really needs is to get back to the basics of living. We must stop trying to hit every problem as if our sole tools are the hammers of military power and corporate greed. A Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, once warned us about the dangers of the military-industrial complex, and we have been reaping the rewards of our inattention.
Posted by:PlaynBassJune 4, 2008 10:22:01 PMRespond ^
Jim Webb is my natural first-choice. He brings everything to the table to offset Obama. Let the Repub's attack... he's already fought back and shown his spine.

Edwards is a second choice. His change meme fits well with Obama, but, I worry that Edwards has already been run through the mill, and, like Hillary, has "political talking points" already waiting for him.
Posted by:Michael GassJune 4, 2008 10:32:31 PMRespond ^
Brian in Florida wrote, "Please, are there still ppl out there who think he's a Muslim, or that his middle name means he's a terrorist?"
I hope not!!! That some people (like Ronnie & Rick in this discussion) would even insinuate such balderdash just goes to prove the dangerous and well-organized propaganda machine wielded by the neo-con Republicans and their Big Media corporate lackeys. Obama will really have to scramble to neutralize those elements in the media.
Posted by:PlaynBassJune 4, 2008 10:41:01 PMRespond ^
"Hillary! That way she will STILL become president after Obama is shot.
Posted by:BeaJune 4, 2008 1:45:58" sounds like a terroristic comment. People like her should be watched closely. Posted by:MISTYJune 4, 2008 2:25:18 PM"

I agree, Misty! The vitrolic comments of some in this discussion have no value in bringing the party together behind the presumtive candidate, and it is up to us to speak up for a bit of sanity and reason in this election.
Posted by:PlaynbassJune 4, 2008 10:49:43 PMRespond ^
Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm - former state Attorney General, Wayne County prosecutor. Only thing is she was born in Canada and may not be Constitutionally eligible. She is a rising start...
Posted by:adp3dJune 4, 2008 11:23:45 PMRespond ^
hey ronnie. Learn to spell you racist twit.
Posted by:responderJune 4, 2008 11:40:08 PMRespond ^
to jersy jab back in march , claire Mc caskill was backing hillary, I quote her! she said her 18 year old daughter threw a bucket of water on her head, and said mom are you nuts you must back obama, and thats when she became an obama supporter , I swear to god this is true. my question is does her daughter follow her into the senate with a bucket of water?
Posted by:jerryJune 5, 2008 12:35:00 AMRespond ^
I agree with you 100% without hillary the dems.,will no longer exist. what will obamma do if Axelrod drops dead? he will have no one to tell him what to do. and I have a 2d problem , I'm catholic, and if the vatican don;t throw that idiot priest out ,I will lose my life long religion also. you know the idiot preaching in obammas church. God bless America.
Posted by:life long demo,June 5, 2008 12:59:48 AMRespond ^
You failed to mention in your section about Sen. Bayh that Indiana is fairly competitive as far as red states go. Polling places Obama within single digits of McCain. Indiana is not McCain country by any means, and he found little support for his candidacy here. Indiana also has a fair number of colleges and shares media markets with Illinois - all to the benefit of Sen. Obama. Though I doubt Bayh will be VP, no one should ignore the possibility of a Blue Indiana this November.
Posted by:KateJune 5, 2008 1:32:14 AMRespond ^
this leaves out 2 obvious candidates: Bloomberg and Oprah
Posted by:MarcelJune 5, 2008 3:01:32 AMRespond ^
I have to agree with Maggie here. The right wing/swiftboatgunners/neocon/etc.. maggots have been salivating for Clinton to be on the ticket. Ever since Kerry's failure (GOP machine/wealthy owners victory) they've been begging for Clinton to be on the ticket. Aside from her own un-stellar policital career, if they could rip apart and undermine Kerry so badly (come on, who in their right mind would pick an idiot deserter who's failed at everything and had to have everything done for him over an intelligent, decorated veteran who's proven his worth repeatedly in Congress) then ripping apart Clinton would be a joy to them.
There are a lot of good posts here (with the obvious exceptions of the morons) but we're still talking about American politics here. Logic and intelligence only matter in scheming not in substance of governing. And the GOP machine has proven to be the best in the history at deception and misrepresentation of truth (and all out lies). No matter who gets nominated as VP, it's still going to come down to who is the most defensible against political machinations.
And Clinton is not that candidate.
Posted by:nakisJune 5, 2008 4:33:25 AMRespond ^
@ ronnie
Hey, is your permanent brain damage a direct result of your father marrying your oldest sister?
Posted by:GordJune 5, 2008 5:51:26 AMRespond ^
@ Jeff Smythe
Have no fear. I have a gut feeling that Hillary would not be an option.
A very bad idea. Two VPs is one too many.
Posted by:GordJune 5, 2008 5:54:03 AMRespond ^
Chris Dodd is a well-known individual and he has made a public stand in the Senate against telco immunity. How bout it?
Posted by:GordJune 5, 2008 5:57:48 AMRespond ^
aggression against iraq presages an aggression against iran. what type of aggression against iran can we expect?
we can expect at least some bombings of sites where nuclear works go on.
folks! remember, keep in mind please! US/IOF had already bombed osirak reactor in iraq in 1981 and a syrian site manufacturing candy (candy looks like enriched uranium).
but when will US?IOF attack iran? the most opportune time to bomb/invade iran would be after US splits iraq in four segments: US, kurdish, sunni, and shia parts.
most of the troops will be withdrawn once each iraqi segment is established each w. own respected puppet gov't.
we can expect an attack on iran within next five yrs.
iran war would presage more wars. so, we can expect a war against syria and so on. the telos is obtainment of the planet.
with global warming, siberia and areas around the poles look mighty good to world plutocrats.
the people in africa, parts of asia, americas may evaporate in heat while the ruling class basks in warm sunshine in siberia with thousands of golf courses, swimming pools, tennis courts, large gardens; probably girded by walls 10 m high. OK. that's the best i can do at this time. i rely on the devil of my own to tell me what will happen.
the devil of my own sits next to god; and he blabs a lot. thank u
Posted by:bozhidar bob balkasJune 5, 2008 6:49:40 AMRespond ^
I agree that Bill Richardson would be a good choice. I believe he was the most "qualified" candidate. His strengths will be a fantastic compliment to Barack's.
Posted by:Mike BloemkeJune 5, 2008 7:09:13 AMRespond ^
Why hasn't anyone thought of Colin Powell? An all black ticket would make a bold statement, sure, and might frighten some white racists, but talk about a ticket that would gather support nationally and then globally!
Posted by:Campbell DalglishJune 5, 2008 8:30:34 AMRespond ^
Sherrod Brown would be a superb running mate for Sen. Obama. I first met him in 1976 and my respect for him has done nothing but grow since that time. A true progressive he is the Senate's expert on fair trade and would bring a much needed voice to the table on U.S. trade relations internationally. Also it couldn't hurt that he's from Ohio.
Posted by:Pat TibbsJune 5, 2008 9:08:55 AMRespond ^
Good analysis of the pluses and minuses of Webb. But--you forgot Mike Bloomberg, Tim Kaine, and especially Mark Warner! I think Bloomberg or Kaine would be the best choices.
Posted by:SDRJune 5, 2008 9:40:21 AMRespond ^
The more I think about it the better I like the idea of Obama/Sherrod Brown. Given the state of our economy and the angst working class folks are experiencing over outsourced jobs, I believe that Sherrod Brown would provide a real compliment to Obama's ticket.

His progressive trade policies would address head on an important economic issue that isn't being addressed in this campaign: how "free" trade has hurt the American worker. Brown's book, "Myth's of Free Trade" couldn't do anything but help win the working class vote.
Posted by:Pat TibbsJune 5, 2008 10:18:06 AMRespond ^
Why is it that right wing haters + racists are also poor spellers and string words together to save their miserable lives? I'm talking to you ronnie.
Posted by:Quo VadisJune 5, 2008 11:31:02 AMRespond ^
Perhaps Obama should pick ronnie for his VP, to tap into the stupid, uneducated, racist vote, why not pick from their own ranks! WV is a lock!
Posted by:RCJune 5, 2008 11:47:54 AMRespond ^
To Dana Seilhan (the person who says she's not a spoiled brat but acts like one anyway).

Someone on one of these blogs made a brilliant statement that I think describes your attitude perfectly: You'd let your house burn down simply because your favorite fireman didn't show up to put out the fire."
Posted by:Duncan BruceJune 5, 2008 11:52:00 AMRespond ^
I don't think you have to "woory" about that ronnie. 'tsnot gonna happen.
Posted by:tmanJune 5, 2008 12:20:56 PMRespond ^
Do we don't even talk about Hillary Clinton for VP because it's BEEN discussed...ad nauseum...well..you know what I think is
AD NAUSEUM...Mother Jones' complete disregard for 18 million Americans who think Hillary Clinton would be the best person for the Presidency...and that by discounting her with such "disdain" for the Vice Presidency..(and pray to God she would accept the position)you continue your pretentious, cavalier, insulting and generally crass behaviour. You pander and smirk..and, in no way..add to the dialogue that has to happen to heal this party. Hillary Clinton is the ONLY choice this party has to win the General Election. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR BIASED and THICK HEADS!!! There are those of us in middle america...who, yes we drink the occasional latte and yes we are post doc fellows as well...but we still support HER over him because she brings experience and know how. If ANY white guy or woman who was just 4 years out of the State Senate had even suggested they were ready to be President they would have been laughed out of Congress. Give me a frickin' break. If the Superdelegates had given the nod to Clinton..who had the most votes...remember that..then the hoopla and hollering would be heard round the world. I, for one, hope Mother Jones, her subscribers and the people who write for this magazine...GET THE PICTURE...you are not the only ones out here who count. Once the Republicans take aim at Obama he will need every resource the Clintons can bring to the table. Get over yourselves and bring this party together before it's too late.
I doubt you'll print this because I don't watch American Idol and I haven't had any of the Kool Aide...poor me.
Posted by:Jordan ChadwickJune 5, 2008 1:52:33 PMRespond ^
Hey Ronnie, Why don't you go turn on Rush. He's more your kind of guy.
Posted by:BobJune 5, 2008 5:28:13 PMRespond ^
Leave Jim Webb out of this, please. He's my senator, a man of stature, a great senior senator to replace the very respected John Warner. We wanna keep him.
Posted by:bobJune 5, 2008 5:36:31 PMRespond ^
to Maggie, your posting is the most sexist, and racist comment on the whole page. then you sign it , for everyone to get over sexist and racist ways,maggie have you ever considered mental help?
Posted by:jerryJune 5, 2008 8:00:58 PMRespond ^
to Jordan Chadwick, Bravo!! you hit the nail right on the head. but I like you don't wear a baseball cap backwards, nor have a ring in my eyebrow nor wear my pants so the crack of my ass shows,I also tie my shoe lace's So I guess that takes me out of the highly educated intelligent class. Oh! I'm also white, so what do I know?
Posted by:arizonaJune 5, 2008 8:33:35 PMRespond ^
campbell dalglish, A very scottish name, are you writing from scotland ?, or the moon? how about OPRAH ,after all she put him in.
Posted by:colinJune 5, 2008 8:44:51 PMRespond ^
What about Gov. Brian Schwitzer from Montana. Rural state governor, fiscal conservative, 2nd amendment advocate, pro choice, early anti Iraq war, expert on alternative energy. no BS kind of guy. Check out his Charlie Rose interview:
http://stephencrosehome.blogspot.co m/2008/05/obama-vp-mt-gov-schweitzer.html
Posted by:JD in CAJune 6, 2008 9:25:14 AMRespond ^
Unnecessary bitterness. You should be more concerned about McBush. Do his policies fit with yours?

If Hillary hadn't been married to a President she wouldn't have been considered, either.
Posted by:JDJune 6, 2008 9:29:28 AMRespond ^
right on, Maggie -- I am a 60-year old white woman from Massachusetts and I have been disgusted by the way Hillary has run her campaign -- I think she is a horrible example for women (although before this campaign I always admired her)-- I voted for Obama because I think he has fresh ideas, has a message that he has stuck with, is calm and thoughtful, all the things that have been so lacking in our current administration. Hillary seems to have the same sort of loyalties as Bush does. I don't think she'd pick the best people for jobs (she'd pick her loyalists) -- that's not the way to fix this country's woes right now. And as far as her supporters saying they'll vote for McCain if she's not on the ticket, well that's just nuts.
Posted by:Priscilla from BostonJune 6, 2008 11:46:29 AMRespond ^
I'm with Jordan, Maggie and company just got the wrong impression, which can happen with all the media ready to stick it to Her, BUT Hillary fought the good fight and being a woman I would have given up, she didn't. She played with the big boys and gave them the same she was getting. Its tough out there and I admit sometimes I wondered if she were taking the right tactics but in the end I would vote for her. You women who are dissing her and mad at her attacks, Gimme a break! You have to fight like a cat (and she did) the claws came out. But What do you expect for the FIRST WOMAN running for President. If it were a man using the same language and tactics as Hillary, they would not have been criticized or thought of as a B-tch. She did what had to be done. And SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE! Don't discount her. She can run circles around any candidate and go toe to toe and still come out ahead...against any of the VP's you all are recommending. one on one, bring it on. GO HILLARY! YOU MADE A MAJORITY OF US WOMEN PROUD OF YOU!
Posted by:TerriannJune 6, 2008 1:57:52 PMRespond ^
Joe Biden or Wesley Clark. That's it. No other choice makes sense.
Posted by:MikeJune 6, 2008 7:05:22 PMRespond ^
Joe Biden or Wesley Clark. That's it. No other choice makes sense.
Posted by:MikeJune 6, 2008 7:06:19 PMRespond ^
HRC doesn't want the job, neither does Edwards (who would accept the AG job, though) nor Gore (been there, done that). And I don't think Obama should try to annoint the next nominee.

He won't be the popular choice on this website, but Nunn would be a solid pick. Stein compares it to chosing Cheney: I rather compare it to choosing LBJ -- and old hand that knows what it takes to get legislation past the 41 vote GOP blockade.
Posted by:EgalitareJune 6, 2008 7:26:04 PMRespond ^
Sigh, where were you in 2000 when you could have saved the country and the world a heap of trouble and told that to Bush - one who clearly hits a negative zero on the honor meter.
Posted by:Rose MJune 6, 2008 10:01:02 PMRespond ^
You could say the same of the Bush family and Laura's bad driving skills. One less human exists bc of her.
Posted by:Rose MJune 6, 2008 10:03:38 PMRespond ^
ronnie, learn how to spell or type. It is difficult to take your comments seriously.
Posted by:davidJune 6, 2008 11:10:22 PMRespond ^
Colin Powell? Enough said.
Posted by:davidJune 6, 2008 11:13:21 PMRespond ^
I just want to say that I LOVE reading a "comments" section where the earliest comments are put first. You can read the article, see the initial comments, and then subsequent comments make sense. Everyone else puts the newest comments on the first page, so that when a person reads the article, then reads the (newest) comments, the reader gets very confused as to where the conversation is headed! In other formats you have to go to the "last" page to get the "first" comment. Yours is a great (and much more understandable) format. Keep it up.
Posted by:pashbelaJune 7, 2008 2:27:13 AMRespond ^
Now for my comment on the substantive issue:
Last June I was at a Relay for Life event. Two 8th graders were helping us in our booth. It was time to give these two young girls a break and as they left one said to the other, "C'mon, let's go talk about how we're going to leave the country if that Hillary is elected President!"
Now I admit, there was a lot of junior high histrionics attached to that statement. However, it smacked me in the head how difficult it would be for Hillary Clinton to be elected President--because of the same type of junior high school simple-minded resistance to her candidacy--and how that visceral resistance would be used & exploited throughout the campaign season until Hillary's own supporters would be exhausted and just want it to be over.
My reason for opposing Hillary's candidacy is a little more nuanced. After the war vote, I could not help but regarding her as a panderer and as a person who would cynically vote away the country's best interests in order to further her own political career. The Iraq vote is, and always will be, a deal-breaker for me. I do not believe that Hillary Clinton's vote in support of the war resolution was any more than a vote to show that she could be tough on terrorism and to gain votes for her future presidential run.
For the record, I am a white woman, aged 54, cancer survivor, retired, college-educated, living in a rural Northern California redneck county. My original choice for President was John Edwards or Joe Biden. Now, with both out of the race, I support Obama, and recommend Joe Biden or Bill Richardson for VP.
Posted by:pashbelaJune 7, 2008 2:59:18 AMRespond ^
i am black african and has been truly inspired by senator barack obama's speech and his influence towards re-engineering american foreign policy interest abroad,notwithstanding,i still prefer a john mccain presidency because i believe that the war in iraq is a good war in itself,but staged at the wrong time,it would have been fought during the first gulf war with nato countries .Anyway,islamic fundamentalism needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth and john mccain is the right person to lead the fight to safeguard our children's children for many generations to come.
Posted by:princekaylord@yahoo.comJune 7, 2008 4:41:24 AMRespond ^
Who is Barack Obama?


Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in

Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Muslim from
Nyangoma-Kogel,
Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's
parents
met at the University of Hawaii.

When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned
to
Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from
Indonesia..
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama
attended a
Muslim school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic
school..

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick
to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended
Catholic
school."

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
Obama's
introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was
temporary
at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the
divorce,
and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo

Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced
his stepson
to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is
the
radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now
waging
Jihad against the western world.

Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking major
public
office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United

Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.
He has already tossed his hat in the ring.



Please forward to everyone you know


Posted by:AnonymousJune 7, 2008 12:31:54 PMRespond ^
Bravo,Maggie!!! I too,being female,was ashamed of the way Hillary campaigned against Obama.I would welcome a woman for president,but not one like HRC.I think a strong,intelligent woman of character,like Donna Brazile would have no trouble winning.
Posted by:DevraJune 7, 2008 12:55:04 PMRespond ^
Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg. Obama tagged her to help select a VP, but she should be the pick. Intelligent, passionate, comes from a long tradition of public service.
Posted by:DougJune 7, 2008 2:21:00 PMRespond ^
4 maybes..the rest - throw away..

Biden, Webb, Richardson, Hagel...
Posted by:RB-ChicagoJune 7, 2008 5:57:23 PMRespond ^
I started a Draft Claire for Governor in which we had over 75 team captains statewide in 2003. She instead became a US Senator two years later. Claire McCaskill was a prosecutor in Kansas City, a single mom while serving as state representative for 3 terms and then a State Auditor. Her knowledge of local, state, and Federal levels of governments and how they work is extremely important. There has likely never been a vice presidential candidate which such a record of service.

She has become known as a center of the road legislator fighting for anti ear mark legislation and an accountability office for expenditures on the war. What she is most noticed for is that she has a pulse of the people that comes naturally and speaks out for the people when something is not in their best interest concerning government or important issues. Yes two inspiring candidates who bring out the best in people on the ticket sound real good.

Steven L. Reed
1441 South Estate Ave.
Springfield MO
stevenlloydreed@hotmail.com

Posted by:Steven ReedJune 7, 2008 10:56:40 PMRespond ^
I'm very excited about the prospects of Webb (who seems to be the perfect foil for McCain) and Richardson being potential VP candidates. I'm surprised, though, in this election of firsts, at the lack of attention paid to Richardson's biracial background or his identification as Latino.

I'm torn in this election. I've always been a Kucinich girl, but as a teacher, I support NCLB 100%. I don't feel comfortable voting for a candidate (like Obama, Nader and previously Clinton) who opposes what I consider to be the most important civil rights bill of my lifetime. Which leaves me with McCain. Who, let's face it, could be way worse, but is a far cry from my beloved Denny K.
Posted by:TJJune 8, 2008 2:46:06 AMRespond ^
To you anonymous; I guess it's proper when you are wearing your swiftboat life jacket to make those innuendoes about a decent and honorable man who sees an opportunity to serve his country as its' chief executive. That ridiculous story has been cirulating the web for at leat a year now, and should be forwarded the trash bin of history along with president cheney and his minions (see bush). Are you ashamed to even allow us to see your first, or phony, name??
Posted by:JohnJune 8, 2008 2:11:11 PMRespond ^

"john":

Have you ever heard of a "90" dog...........from someone like you, probably not. Well, he keeps his tail curled in a '9' position and underneath that he has a '0'......why don't you kiss it?
Posted by:anonymousJune 8, 2008 11:24:49 PMRespond ^
AWWWW! Lil Ryan is Anti-Semitic! Grow-up baby, the Pro-Israel Lobby is a force in progress, protecting your sorry little butt against middle-east terror threats,whether you're aware it or not.
Posted by:SPYWITNESSJune 9, 2008 11:40:16 AMRespond ^
The Troll says:
Obama should select, in the following order:
1. A Male Hispanic (like Richardson)
2. A secular Jew (problem there is that no such leftist Jewish politician exists, who also supports Israel like Obama--except maybe Feinstein).
3. An ethnic Italian (such as Andrew Quomo) because the Spanish Catholics would accept him (or someone like him) as a "damn near Spanish".
4. If the above three criteria are not practical, an industry standard like Joe Biden would due.
Posted by:TrollsteinJune 10, 2008 9:35:27 AMRespond ^
Prince Kaylord:
Radical zionism and israeli occupations also need to be erradicated from the face of earth, don't you think?
Posted by:MikeJune 10, 2008 12:00:43 PMRespond ^
Altough there are several interesting candidates for VP, Barack needs someone who will give him "credibility" on foreign policy/national security issues such as Wesley Clark or Joe Biden. Hilary of course would me more liability than help. And the VP has to be as white as my bedsheets. Unfortunately many americans can barely stomach a bi-racial candidate. More color would be unbearable for many.
Posted by:MikeJune 10, 2008 12:09:56 PMRespond ^
BTW, If Obama picks a woman whose last name is not Clinton, I am afraid that many or her suppoters will "punish" him by not voting for him.
Posted by:MikeJune 10, 2008 12:16:20 PMRespond ^
undecided voters,
The choice of vp should be the least of your concerns.You should scrutinize obama's friends and associates, then you will get to know him much better.
Posted by:jerryJune 11, 2008 6:26:25 AMRespond ^
America is on a decline, to hasten it vote for Barack "HUSSEIN" Obama.
Posted by:abuJune 11, 2008 6:34:43 AMRespond ^
His name is Bob Casey Jr. He has no shot at VP. He was only elected into the Senatate a year and half ago (2006).
Posted by:JustinJune 11, 2008 7:25:51 AMRespond ^
Why no mention of ANTHONY ZINNI? Originally a Biden supporter, I was swayed by GEN ZINNI when I did more research.

OPPOSED THE WAR & ITS EXECUTION PLAN
1. Opposed the War - aligned with Obama's position
2. Had courage & Interity to oppose the War unlike most retired generals
3. Authored Book Battle Ready, published in 2004, that detailed 10 serious criticisms of the rationale and execution of the war. Testified to Congress re same.
4. Told Bush they needed 300,000+ Troops to Carry Out his Mission to Invade Iraq
5. Said of Bush's War Strategy, "I'm not sure what planet they live on."
6. Had foresight to realize that Military Success is "just the beginning of the beginning."
7. May 2004 on 60 Minutes ... "Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time." ... "heads should roll at the Pentagon... serious derelictions of duty ... criminal negligence." 8. Co-authored Feb 08 letter to Congress opposing torture
TERRORISM EXPERTISE
1. Warned Congress re Bin Laden in MARCH 2000 2. Warned Congress before 9/11 that Afghanistan was harboring Bin Laden
HAS MOST MILITARY & FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE
1. Two Masters Degrees in International Relations and in Management
2. Four-Star General - Marine Corp - 35 years of Active Military Duty
3. Traveled to 70 countries & in nearly every military operation since the 60s 4. Special Envoy on Israeli-Palestinian Peace Effort
5. More Military Experience than McCain
6. More Foreign Policy Experience than McCain
7. Knows More re MidEast than McCain
8. As Ex-Marine, Knows More re Infantry than McCain and Iraq is a groundwar
9. Developed Rapport with Musharref and Somali Warlords to Keep Dialogue Open
10. Called Global Warming a Serious Security Threat
11. Unlike McCain, knows the difference between Shia and Sunni
ECONOMICS
1. Undergrad degree from Villanova in Economics
NO VOTING RECORD TO ATTACK
1. Hasn't served in elected office so no voting record to attack
INTANGIBLES
1. Son is Captain in the Marines - not like many GOP who vote for war but don't send their own kids.
2. Italian Born in Conshohocken PA & attended Villanove - will help secure PA
3. Nicknames - Warrior Diplomat and The Godfather
4. Italian with military background - since Italians have large presence in Unions - could help secure Labor vote that sometimes swing Red because of gun-toting Republicans
5. Catholic - could help secure swing Catholic vote in upper midwest states
6. Hispanic - because most Hispanics are Catholic, could help secure Hispanic Vote
7. Recently a Commander at Quantico Base in VA and AFB in FL - both swing states
8. Described as an Eloquent old hand at fielding questions - should be great on the stump
9. Lobbied with Nelson & Graham of FL to keep CENTCOM in Tampa FL instead of Middle East as Rumsfled wanted because big base in middle East would incite more violence - help w FL vote.
10. Military & Veteran Vote wouldn't all go to McCain: Quote from a Marine Blog: "A Marine advising the president would help weed out the BS. Might make me want to actually vote for a Democrat."
FUN BUT IRRELEVANT ITEMS
1. Limbaugh called anit-war Vets like Zinni the "phony soldiers" - talk about unpatriotic!
2. Close with Wes Clarke
3. And for all those empty-headed war-mongers, he co-authored a book with Tom Clancy. How's that for catering to the gun-toting Appalachian and Southern White Males?
CONS
1. Voted for Bush in 2000 but admitted he was wrong
2. Said he never wanted to run for public office
3. Outspoken . . . can he stay on message?
4. Not sure whether he's aligned on other important Dem issues
5. How does he feel re "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"?
Posted by:cranegirlJune 13, 2008 10:00:48 AMRespond ^
AMEN, RONNIE I LIKE YOUR STYLE
Posted by:TULIPJune 13, 2008 12:11:37 PMRespond ^








Thursday, July 21, 2005 Micah 3:5-12

Mirror, mirror on the wall,
Can you see our nation fall?
Headlines scream of our decay.
Is there any hope today?

Smog doth blind and traffic choke,
Wages bind and buildings smoke.
Welfare roles are soaring high,
And hard drugs cause one young to die.

Villains are heroes on TV
While legal loopholes set them free.
“Morality” is a foreign word,
Love with marriage is absurd.

Campus riots, no-win war,
Busing is a festered sore.
Candidates are often shot
When they seek a major spot.

Highjacked planes, a lefty press,
Schools are in an awful mess.
Mirror, mirror on the wall,
Is there any hope at all?

–Author unknown

Taken from www.ttb.org
Posted by:Rose57June 13, 2008 6:35:37 PMRespond ^
What a group to have to chose from. If America is not financially bankrupt its political process certainly is.
There is only one choice. A demographic, party line, campaign fund raiser bombshell: MICHAEL BLOOMBERG, Mayor of NY. Lets see if Obama really has any intelligence or if he's really as dumb as Kerry.
Posted by:Rob LoweJune 14, 2008 6:48:19 AMRespond ^
i keep hearing Senator Jim Webb of Virginia. What think you?
Posted by:Bob HayesJune 15, 2008 11:36:43 AMRespond ^
Greta VanSUSTEREN would be a great VP She is very smart,well educated,a great speaker and a woman that is very well loved by many people.She would be perfect for a VP for Obama.
Posted by:Alice RouseJune 15, 2008 9:08:44 PMRespond ^
The 2 most likely I believe would be Gov. Tim Kaine (VA) (weird that he wasn't on this list) and Gov. Janet Napolitano (AZ). Since Napolitano is from AZ, there would be a LOT of media coverage of how this might put McCain at risk, and that's a news narrative that would be beneficial to the Obama campaign. Napolitano would be a rich news story in several ways, and McCain would lose traction as the focus gets drawn to her. One last choice: Al Gore.
Posted by:SethJune 17, 2008 7:02:56 AMRespond ^
general wes clark is the real deal

read his books

read his HASC testimony BEFORE the Iraq War

listen to UTUBE speeches

wes clark is ahead of the curve and the real deal
Posted by:billJune 17, 2008 3:18:37 PMRespond ^
please God, not Hillary for VP...pls Lord not her not that woman for the NO 2 spot..she belongs with her husband in a soap opera on TV...now that her daughter is of age they could reveal who is who?
Posted by:frank, frankJune 18, 2008 3:03:57 PMRespond ^
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is by far the best choice. She smart, articulate and always prepared to answer the hard questions - that is why she has won twice in a very red state.

Additionally, she can and will win over the Hillary supporters.
Posted by:DomenicJune 20, 2008 4:49:00 AMRespond ^
I still think the best choice for America would be Obama/Kucinich. I have yet to read the first bit of speculation with his name in it, though.
Posted by:nicJune 20, 2008 11:19:29 AMRespond ^
I agree that Zinni Webb or Sherwood Brown would be the progressive choices. I did not realize that much about Zinni until cranegirl wrote about him. Both Rendell and Strickland have turned Obama down...Rendell said he could not stay on message
Posted by:robertJune 24, 2008 1:16:00 AMRespond ^
How come no one has mentioned Eric Shinseki as a vice presidential candidate? As a decorated Vietnam Vet and graduate of a military academy (in his case, West Point), he matches Jim Webb's and John McCain's credentials and would likewise increase Obama's credibility on the military front. He was Chief of Staff of the US Army from '99-'03 and, like Webb, has an intellectual bent, having received a graduate degree in English Lit. But most of all, he famously spoke truth to power when he repeatedly warned that we would need substantially more troops to occupy and stabilize Iraq. Of course, his advice was ignored, and the rest is history. Nominating Shinseki would give Obama instant credibility while debating McCain on Iraq, as Shinseki's willingness to fight the administration (and sacrifice his own career) show that he is battle-hardened in more ways than one.
Posted by:benjaminJune 27, 2008 9:39:04 AMRespond ^
You know what..Sen Obama is too good,he should go it alone,for if he appoints any'experte' on foreign affairs,then he must have vast experience meaning he/she must have been to Washington before.This will highly dilute his message of change
Posted by:Joseph AbugaJune 30, 2008 8:39:38 PMRespond ^
Bill Richardson is the ideal pick. He brings foreign policy experience and polical savvy to the ticket, he is an olive branch extended to Hispanics, he locks up New Mexico for the Dems, and he fortifies Obama's chances in Colorado, Nevada, and Florida. The best thing Obama could do right now, is name Richardson as his VP, then boldly announce that once elected he will ask Hillary Clinton to serve as his Secretary of State. Game, set, match
Posted by:bk753July 10, 2008 1:17:29 PMRespond ^
The senate will be at around 54-45. At best 56-42, providing MS and AK goes blue. Doubtful any other will change over.
With that in mind, selecting a VP and losing one senator and gaining the White House is far better than losing the white house to McCain.
Keep in mind the main topic is the supreme court.
I personally would pick someone that can help win the White House in November. At this point, Evan Bayh of Indiana is the best choice.
It comes down to picking someone that can scoop up voted from the center and possibly from the right as well as pick up a Red State... Indiana is perfect for that. He is very much liked by the GOP in that state.
Those 11 electoral votes being removed from McCain pile and put into Obama's pile creates a 22 point difference.

It is worth the replacement of a senator. If by some horrible outcome that Obama doesn't win in November, Bayh hasn't lost his job as a senator!!

We will still be 54-45.

Posted by:nick in NCJuly 16, 2008 8:02:52 AMRespond ^
I keep hearing that this or that person turned Obama down. This is just not true, because he hasn't offered it to anyone.

True, there are several people that have said that they aren't interested.
Webb, Strickland...

They all look good, but that doens't mean that they would be a first choice.
(I would consider Webb, Sibelius, and Bayh).

Of those left over it is down to Sibelius and Bayh...for me anyway.

Name recognition, background, AGE !!!, and also pick someone that people WANT to be the VP.

Sorry but Clinton couldn't see herself in #2 spot. Obama couldn't stomach her now either - back seat drivers make everyone sick.

Besides, she is one person that the GOP just loves to hate for no reason. Why drag that crap back out again.

OBAMA/BAYH 2008/2012
BAYH/?? 2016 and 2020.

Posted by:Love is better than warJuly 16, 2008 8:16:51 AMRespond ^

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Posted by:Steven ReedJuly 16, 2008 7:08:26 PMRespond ^
I wish Ted Kennedy would be a VP candidate. or John Edwards would reconsider. That would be cool.
Posted by:MarkusJuly 20, 2008 8:31:52 PMRespond ^
I think Obama should select Henry Waxman for vice president.
Posted by:Vicki LawsonAugust 4, 2008 4:50:36 PMRespond ^
Sal,
Your so busy giving Ronnie a hard time. I would like to know what has Obama won. He didnt even win the popular vote. Witch was so important when Obama had it. But your so typical of a Dem. You'll make fun of someone spilling, because you have no ideas, so you act like your better. But you know what Sal, your not, Your Typical....
Posted by:DannyAugust 4, 2008 9:51:58 PMRespond ^
You have not named anyone of 'note'. What spark do any of them add to the ticket? They're all nice people - HO HUM!

The only one I'm excited about is Hagel - but he's perfect for Secretary of Defense only.

We need some boldness people - a real Dick with major credentials like Richard Clarke. Even SenatorClaire McCaskill has more balls thant anyone other than Hagel, including Obama.

Democrats aren't wimps like Harold Ford Jr. or Joe Lieberman - I'll take a Russ Feingold or Robert Wexler anyday over a million Evan Bayh's.
Crossovers and Independent's value courage over party. Democrats refuse to acknowledge that at their own peril.
Posted by:hazmaqAugust 5, 2008 12:04:52 PMRespond ^
Sorry but I feel I must point out that I'm voting for the PERSON who I think is the best candidate for president. If Clinton and Obama's views were reversed, I'd be voting for Clinton. I'm not going to cry because people are voting for the best candidate just becase the best candidate is not a woman. If a woman candidate had run for presidency that I felt was a better fit than Obama, I'd have voted for her. Bottom line - Race, gender, religion - none of this should matter - the only thing that should matter is what they stand for and how they propose to fix what's wrong.
Posted by:What are we voting for?August 13, 2008 3:17:53 PMRespond ^
Most votes using who's math? Because as I understand it, Clinton's math is about as straightforward and honest as her campaign practices.

Besides, would you choose for your VP someone who in a round about way suggested that things happen to people, such as getting shot, so she shouldn't quit her bid for the democratic nomination?
Posted by:Woman for ObamaAugust 13, 2008 3:48:50 PMRespond ^
Out here in Calif, all of us are hoping, and praying that Biden will be Oboma's Vise Pres.
He is the best .
Posted by: Joy RomingerAugust 19, 2008 4:08:23 PMRespond ^

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