All You Need to Know About Obama's VP Options
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Gen. Wesley Clark (US Army, retired), 63
Clark, a retired four-star general, commanded the NATO forces in the Kosovo War during his term as the supreme allied commander (1997 to 2000). Obviously that background brings national security cred to the ticket.
But by Clark's own admission, his political consciousness was born after his military duties ended in 2000. A history of suspiciously conservative statements and the fact that Clark did not seem to have clearly defined positions on major issues when he ran for president as a Democrat in 2004 led many to believe that his choice of political party was a matter of convenience instead of principle. But Clark has always been pro-choice, and is now firmly against the Iraq War. And since 2004, he has become a fully integrated part of the progressive movement, even giving the keynote address at YearlyKos, the annual convention for liberal bloggers and their fans, in 2007.
Clark endorsed Clinton last September and is identified as one of her most prominent (and combative) surrogates. As a result, many in the media argue that his selection would help unify the party. But will heartbroken Clinton supporters really be mollified if one of Clinton's good friends is on the ticket? Picking Clark would only be a bridge-building gesture if Clinton herself feels as though Clark's presence on the ticket ensures that her agenda will have a place in the next administration.
Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.), 69
Nunn is almost as old as McCain, the man Democrats are hoping voters will consider too geriatric for the presidency. If something were to happen to Obama, the face of the presidency and the face of the Democratic Party would change drastically. He is essentially a Cheney pick.
That said, Nunn has his strengths. A favorite of the folks who consider themselves national security experts, Nunn served for 24 years as a senator (1972 to 1997). He was chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and cosponsored the bill that formed the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, which helps foreign countries secure and destroy their nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons.
And after leaving the Senate, Nunn didn't stop working on the issue of nukes, a focus he shares with Obama, whom he endorsed. He is currently the cochairman of the Nuclear Threat Initiative, a nonprofit that seeks to reduce the global threat from weapons of mass destruction. He is routinely considered a top choice for secretary of defense or secretary of state in Democratic administrations, and offers something to everyone on foreign policy: He was often considered a hawk, but opposed both Gulf wars.
Throughout his Senate career, Nunn was a moderate to conservative Democrat on domestic policy. He fiercely opposed President Clinton's attempt to integrate openly homosexual Americans into the military and was a committed deficit hawk. He left politics, citing a lack of "zest and enthusiasm," meaning he would probably shy from the attack-dog role traditionally played by the VP candidate. And his long career in Washington makes the "change" slogan a hard sell.
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), 52
Though young and telegenic, Bayh resembles a generic politician. He has a long career in politics—he was elected governor of Indiana in 1988 (at the age of 33) and again in 1992, and was elected to the Senate in 1998 and again in 2004. Like many lifetime politicians, Bayh is a legacy. He is the son of Birch Bayh, who was a senator from 1963 to 1981 and ran for president in 1976, losing to Jimmy Carter in the Democratic primary.
Bayh is a moderate. As governor, he cut taxes and earned the favor of the Wall Street Journal, which called him a "genuinely fiscally conservative Democrat." After moving to Washington, Bayh served as chair of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, a group that has been criticized for its corporate funding and willingness to embrace Republicanism Lite. He is a member of the Senate Centrist Coalition.
While Bayh is competent, his name is typically met with a yawn in VP discussions. He isn't known for any bold positions or legislative achievements. He is close to the Clintons—top-tier DLCers—and has been an active surrogate during the campaign. He is frequently cited, like Wes Clark, as one of the Clintonites Obama could choose as a sop to the defeated camp.
More purely political concerns: Indiana is deep red, and though Obama fared well against Clinton there, his only hope of winning the state in November may be by selecting Bayh, who has won by historic margins in the state. (Even with Bayh, it will be very tough to take a state that Bush won by 21 percent in 2004.) If the Democrats, with Bayh on the ticket, were to win the White House, Indiana's Republican governor would likely replace Bayh with a member of the GOP, costing the Dems a seat in the Senate and potentially undermining their chance of achieving a 60-seat filibuster-proof majority.
Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), 65
As the current don of the Democrats' foreign policy community, Biden shores up Obama on a key front. Currently serving his sixth term in the Senate, Biden is the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and a former chairman of the Judiciary Committee. The senator from tiny Delaware would be a perfect liaison to Capitol Hill. That comes with the obvious flip side, however. When you've been in Washington more than 30 years, it's hard to argue you can suddenly play an agent of change. You are as complicit in Washington's problems as anyone.
Biden has a famously big mouth. He talks too much and too often says things that he immediately regrets. Early in the campaign season, for example, Biden said that Obama represented a break from black presidential candidates of the past because he is "clean and articulate." But as Steve Kornacki wrote in the New York Observer, "By embracing [Biden], Obama would be sending a signal to well-meaning white voters of a certain generation that he understands if they—like Biden—haven't fully figured out how to talk about race." And that big mouth can be an effective weapon. Biden could be an attack-dog with infinite credibility. When Bush likened Obama to Nazi appeasers several weeks ago, Biden roared, "This is bullshit. This is malarkey. This is outrageous."
There are problems to overcome. Biden supported the war in Iraq and is relatively hawkish by Democratic standards. When he campaigned in Iowa as a presidential candidate, Biden frequently said that he would oppose any move to make war funding dependent on withdrawal timetables because of a "sacred obligation" to the troops.

payback is going to be rough when he loses. could be the his extremeist backers maight want their money back
The Clintons:
Bill was impeached, did not inhale, did not have sex with that woman, and missed abundant chances to hit a less organized Osama Bin laden. The Trade Center bombing may never have happened if he spent more time working at his desk rather than "partying" with Monica on top of it! Hillary "well remembers!" being shot at in Bosnia also!
The Clintons belong in a '72 Detroiter singlewide trailer somewhere outside of
Little Rock! GOOD RIDDANCE!!!
offered the VP all will be ok.I wouldn`t trust her and her creepy,lunatic friends from the AIPAC,if I was Obama !!
Real change will only be possible when these evil forces are eliminated for good.
Although I don't like Hillary any more because I believe she should have dropped out about two months ago, she has so much strong support in some areas that she would help assure a win.
Obama/Clinton 08!!!
No one is talking about him but I think that the Obama campaign should consider as VP, Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island. As the only Republican that voted against the war Sen. Chafee would be a walking talking example of a Republican that got it right and who was a true maverick who has not turned in his convictions to cater to the extreme right of his party.
Chafee would be a strong draw for disenfranchised Republicans and unlike Hagel, the fact that he is pro-choice, pro-basic rights and an early supporter of Obama's candidacy means little down side for progressive Democrats.
In his new book: "Against the Tide: How a Compliant Congress Empowered a Reckless President" Chafee advocates the kind of bi-partisan change that Obama has made central to his candidacy.
Jef Green
Portland, OR
They complement each other very well. Former Clinton advisor Dick Morris says she wouldn't bring in any extra votes, that the people who voted for her in the primaries who say they wouldn't vote for Obama wouldn't vote for any Dem candidate. I don't buy it. If Obama's advisors have any sense, they will at least commission some test polls to see if she brings all her top of the ticket edges over McCain to a ticket in which she is no. 2. If she does, she ought to be strongly considered, despite all the baggage. If not, move on, since I assume Obama's preferences are not to have her on the ticket.
Of those listed here, Richardson seems the best. He has a lot of experience, including foreign policy, but is not perceived as a long-time Washington player opposed to change. Plus he can help Obama win those three western states.
After that, Sherrod Brown maybe, but he is not very well known.
After that, Sherrod Brown maybe, but he is not very well known.
It is time to appreciate just how lucky we are to have this national treasure. Just a few items:
--Clark was always butting heads with the stereotypical "macho" military Neanderthals because he saw the horrors of war firsthand in Vietnam and always espoused "diplomacy first."
--Clark was one of the leaders of the all-volunteer Army created after the Vietnam debacle. To keep personnel in you had to do a good job of providing for their family needs, health, education, equal opportunity.
--Clark actually won environmental awards at bases under his command.
--When Clark was working at the Pentagon in the mid-90s, he was virtually the only voice crying out to intervene in Rwanda.
--It was Clark's voice, along with Madeline Albright, who persuaded the Clinton Admin., over the objections of the Pentagon, to stop the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Tell the Kosovar Albanians that Wes Clark isn't a liberal, progressive, humanitarian.
--It was Wes Clark's voice prior to the Iraq invasion who urged that we exhaust all possible diplomatic means before any military action, including in testimony to Congress.
--It was Wes Clark who filed an Amicus Curiae brief in the University
of Michigan affirmative action case.
--It was Wes Clark who committed an ultimate act of political courage by appearing on the cover of the Advocate (gay rights magazine)during the '04 primaries.
GO WITH MARCY KAPTUR ALSO FROM OHIO
Hillary for VP and if Obama wants to win against McCain he better listen.
"Hillary! That way she will STILL become president after Obama is shot.
Posted by:BeaJune 4, 2008 1:45:58" sounds like a terroristic comment. People like her should be watched closely. Unfortunately we have so many nuts that seem to harmless but could easily be used by astute malevolents. Bea is not capable of carrying out any such threat on her own but could easily be used as a Manchurian candidate.
You neglected to mention Al Gore. Based on some things he has said lately, I think he could be convinced to do it.
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/243
God knows when I lived there they always seemed to know what was going on in U.S. politics before anyone here did.
Personally, I think Richardson would make an excellent choice; the thesis he wrote regarding his nomination bid was eloquent and intelligent.
Obama should choose someone he can work with, someone with the same vision who can help him advance his agenda. It is going to take a huge amount of work, a huge amount of arm-twisting in the House (and possibly the Senate) to get the legislation passed he needs.
Obama is advocating for a new way of doing things - he doesn't need a same-old, same-old bucking him at every step. And that includes Ms. Clinton, unfortunately.
Let him get someone really NEW!
That said, if she isn't the veep pick then why not HHS? Edwards could be the attorney general. Gore could be EPA head. I mean, c'mon, let's run with this and put some really strong Dems out there. I won't be complicit in throwing women under the bus again by actively voting, but if the Dems are sensible about this I guess I'll cheer for them from the sidelines.
a Vice President place on this ticket.
I could not pick any 1 person because the country has many good VPs in the democratic party at this time.
[My first choice for veep is Clinton, but I still won't be voting, not because I'm a brat and wanna take my toys and go home but because this is just the latest time American women have been expected to take a back seat to black men. It is insulting and humiliating for all of us even when we don't necessarily agree with Clinton on everything.]
So if not voting isn't like taking your toys and going home because you didn't get what you want, then what is? You are just as bad as the racists who won't vote for Barack because he's black when you make comments like that. 'Women taking a back seat to black men??' What is that all about? This primary wasn't about race or sex, it was about the issues (although try telling that to Clinton supporters). Women who scream about Hillary getting the shaft by the media is just plan bullsh*t. I am a woman and I am ASHAMED of Hillary Clinton and her nasty tactics during this campaign. It has NOTHING to do with her being a woman, and all this sexist crap I keep hearing from women about all of us being 'disenfranchised' and discriminated against makes me sick. I USED TO have lots of respect for Hillary and Bill, but no more. It is THEIR fault she lost - not black men, not me, not the Superdelegates, but HER. She ran a nasty, deceitful, lie-filled campaign, SHE pulled the race and sex card whenever she felt like it, and Obama didn't rise to most of her baits. He was a gentleman and a great campaigner and fundraiser and he deserved to win. And he is the only one who can beat McCain in November, NOT Hillary. All you Hillary supporters are on serious drugs if you think she could have won the General Election - the Repugs were just waiting in the wings, salivating, waiting with all their dirty laundry of the Clintons - waiting to spew it all at her until November because Barack was too much of a gentleman to do it for them. She's TOAST and will NEVER be Obama's VP.
Get over your sexist, racist self! Some of us women don't WANT Hillary representing us - she is a LIAR and a horrible excuse for a woman!
Edwards is a second choice. His change meme fits well with Obama, but, I worry that Edwards has already been run through the mill, and, like Hillary, has "political talking points" already waiting for him.
I hope not!!! That some people (like Ronnie & Rick in this discussion) would even insinuate such balderdash just goes to prove the dangerous and well-organized propaganda machine wielded by the neo-con Republicans and their Big Media corporate lackeys. Obama will really have to scramble to neutralize those elements in the media.
Posted by:BeaJune 4, 2008 1:45:58" sounds like a terroristic comment. People like her should be watched closely. Posted by:MISTYJune 4, 2008 2:25:18 PM"
I agree, Misty! The vitrolic comments of some in this discussion have no value in bringing the party together behind the presumtive candidate, and it is up to us to speak up for a bit of sanity and reason in this election.
There are a lot of good posts here (with the obvious exceptions of the morons) but we're still talking about American politics here. Logic and intelligence only matter in scheming not in substance of governing. And the GOP machine has proven to be the best in the history at deception and misrepresentation of truth (and all out lies). No matter who gets nominated as VP, it's still going to come down to who is the most defensible against political machinations.
And Clinton is not that candidate.
Hey, is your permanent brain damage a direct result of your father marrying your oldest sister?
Have no fear. I have a gut feeling that Hillary would not be an option.
A very bad idea. Two VPs is one too many.
we can expect at least some bombings of sites where nuclear works go on.
folks! remember, keep in mind please! US/IOF had already bombed osirak reactor in iraq in 1981 and a syrian site manufacturing candy (candy looks like enriched uranium).
but when will US?IOF attack iran? the most opportune time to bomb/invade iran would be after US splits iraq in four segments: US, kurdish, sunni, and shia parts.
most of the troops will be withdrawn once each iraqi segment is established each w. own respected puppet gov't.
we can expect an attack on iran within next five yrs.
iran war would presage more wars. so, we can expect a war against syria and so on. the telos is obtainment of the planet.
with global warming, siberia and areas around the poles look mighty good to world plutocrats.
the people in africa, parts of asia, americas may evaporate in heat while the ruling class basks in warm sunshine in siberia with thousands of golf courses, swimming pools, tennis courts, large gardens; probably girded by walls 10 m high. OK. that's the best i can do at this time. i rely on the devil of my own to tell me what will happen.
the devil of my own sits next to god; and he blabs a lot. thank u
His progressive trade policies would address head on an important economic issue that isn't being addressed in this campaign: how "free" trade has hurt the American worker. Brown's book, "Myth's of Free Trade" couldn't do anything but help win the working class vote.
Someone on one of these blogs made a brilliant statement that I think describes your attitude perfectly: You'd let your house burn down simply because your favorite fireman didn't show up to put out the fire."
AD NAUSEUM...Mother Jones' complete disregard for 18 million Americans who think Hillary Clinton would be the best person for the Presidency...and that by discounting her with such "disdain" for the Vice Presidency..(and pray to God she would accept the position)you continue your pretentious, cavalier, insulting and generally crass behaviour. You pander and smirk..and, in no way..add to the dialogue that has to happen to heal this party. Hillary Clinton is the ONLY choice this party has to win the General Election. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR BIASED and THICK HEADS!!! There are those of us in middle america...who, yes we drink the occasional latte and yes we are post doc fellows as well...but we still support HER over him because she brings experience and know how. If ANY white guy or woman who was just 4 years out of the State Senate had even suggested they were ready to be President they would have been laughed out of Congress. Give me a frickin' break. If the Superdelegates had given the nod to Clinton..who had the most votes...remember that..then the hoopla and hollering would be heard round the world. I, for one, hope Mother Jones, her subscribers and the people who write for this magazine...GET THE PICTURE...you are not the only ones out here who count. Once the Republicans take aim at Obama he will need every resource the Clintons can bring to the table. Get over yourselves and bring this party together before it's too late.
I doubt you'll print this because I don't watch American Idol and I haven't had any of the Kool Aide...poor me.
http://stephencrosehome.blogspot.co m/2008/05/obama-vp-mt-gov-schweitzer.html
If Hillary hadn't been married to a President she wouldn't have been considered, either.
He won't be the popular choice on this website, but Nunn would be a solid pick. Stein compares it to chosing Cheney: I rather compare it to choosing LBJ -- and old hand that knows what it takes to get legislation past the 41 vote GOP blockade.
Last June I was at a Relay for Life event. Two 8th graders were helping us in our booth. It was time to give these two young girls a break and as they left one said to the other, "C'mon, let's go talk about how we're going to leave the country if that Hillary is elected President!"
Now I admit, there was a lot of junior high histrionics attached to that statement. However, it smacked me in the head how difficult it would be for Hillary Clinton to be elected President--because of the same type of junior high school simple-minded resistance to her candidacy--and how that visceral resistance would be used & exploited throughout the campaign season until Hillary's own supporters would be exhausted and just want it to be over.
My reason for opposing Hillary's candidacy is a little more nuanced. After the war vote, I could not help but regarding her as a panderer and as a person who would cynically vote away the country's best interests in order to further her own political career. The Iraq vote is, and always will be, a deal-breaker for me. I do not believe that Hillary Clinton's vote in support of the war resolution was any more than a vote to show that she could be tough on terrorism and to gain votes for her future presidential run.
For the record, I am a white woman, aged 54, cancer survivor, retired, college-educated, living in a rural Northern California redneck county. My original choice for President was John Edwards or Joe Biden. Now, with both out of the race, I support Obama, and recommend Joe Biden or Bill Richardson for VP.
Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in
Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Muslim from
Nyangoma-Kogel,
Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's
parents
met at the University of Hawaii.
When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned
to
Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from
Indonesia..
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama
attended a
Muslim school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic
school..
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick
to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended
Catholic
school."
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
Obama's
introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was
temporary
at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the
divorce,
and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo
Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced
his stepson
to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is
the
radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now
waging
Jihad against the western world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking major
public
office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United
Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.
He has already tossed his hat in the ring.
Please forward to everyone you know
Biden, Webb, Richardson, Hagel...
She has become known as a center of the road legislator fighting for anti ear mark legislation and an accountability office for expenditures on the war. What she is most noticed for is that she has a pulse of the people that comes naturally and speaks out for the people when something is not in their best interest concerning government or important issues. Yes two inspiring candidates who bring out the best in people on the ticket sound real good.
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I'm torn in this election. I've always been a Kucinich girl, but as a teacher, I support NCLB 100%. I don't feel comfortable voting for a candidate (like Obama, Nader and previously Clinton) who opposes what I consider to be the most important civil rights bill of my lifetime. Which leaves me with McCain. Who, let's face it, could be way worse, but is a far cry from my beloved Denny K.
"john":
Have you ever heard of a "90" dog...........from someone like you, probably not. Well, he keeps his tail curled in a '9' position and underneath that he has a '0'......why don't you kiss it?
Obama should select, in the following order:
1. A Male Hispanic (like Richardson)
2. A secular Jew (problem there is that no such leftist Jewish politician exists, who also supports Israel like Obama--except maybe Feinstein).
3. An ethnic Italian (such as Andrew Quomo) because the Spanish Catholics would accept him (or someone like him) as a "damn near Spanish".
4. If the above three criteria are not practical, an industry standard like Joe Biden would due.
Radical zionism and israeli occupations also need to be erradicated from the face of earth, don't you think?
The choice of vp should be the least of your concerns.You should scrutinize obama's friends and associates, then you will get to know him much better.
OPPOSED THE WAR & ITS EXECUTION PLAN
1. Opposed the War - aligned with Obama's position
2. Had courage & Interity to oppose the War unlike most retired generals
3. Authored Book Battle Ready, published in 2004, that detailed 10 serious criticisms of the rationale and execution of the war. Testified to Congress re same.
4. Told Bush they needed 300,000+ Troops to Carry Out his Mission to Invade Iraq
5. Said of Bush's War Strategy, "I'm not sure what planet they live on."
6. Had foresight to realize that Military Success is "just the beginning of the beginning."
7. May 2004 on 60 Minutes ... "Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time." ... "heads should roll at the Pentagon... serious derelictions of duty ... criminal negligence." 8. Co-authored Feb 08 letter to Congress opposing torture
TERRORISM EXPERTISE
1. Warned Congress re Bin Laden in MARCH 2000 2. Warned Congress before 9/11 that Afghanistan was harboring Bin Laden
HAS MOST MILITARY & FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE
1. Two Masters Degrees in International Relations and in Management
2. Four-Star General - Marine Corp - 35 years of Active Military Duty
3. Traveled to 70 countries & in nearly every military operation since the 60s 4. Special Envoy on Israeli-Palestinian Peace Effort
5. More Military Experience than McCain
6. More Foreign Policy Experience than McCain
7. Knows More re MidEast than McCain
8. As Ex-Marine, Knows More re Infantry than McCain and Iraq is a groundwar
9. Developed Rapport with Musharref and Somali Warlords to Keep Dialogue Open
10. Called Global Warming a Serious Security Threat
11. Unlike McCain, knows the difference between Shia and Sunni
ECONOMICS
1. Undergrad degree from Villanova in Economics
NO VOTING RECORD TO ATTACK
1. Hasn't served in elected office so no voting record to attack
INTANGIBLES
1. Son is Captain in the Marines - not like many GOP who vote for war but don't send their own kids.
2. Italian Born in Conshohocken PA & attended Villanove - will help secure PA
3. Nicknames - Warrior Diplomat and The Godfather
4. Italian with military background - since Italians have large presence in Unions - could help secure Labor vote that sometimes swing Red because of gun-toting Republicans
5. Catholic - could help secure swing Catholic vote in upper midwest states
6. Hispanic - because most Hispanics are Catholic, could help secure Hispanic Vote
7. Recently a Commander at Quantico Base in VA and AFB in FL - both swing states
8. Described as an Eloquent old hand at fielding questions - should be great on the stump
9. Lobbied with Nelson & Graham of FL to keep CENTCOM in Tampa FL instead of Middle East as Rumsfled wanted because big base in middle East would incite more violence - help w FL vote.
10. Military & Veteran Vote wouldn't all go to McCain: Quote from a Marine Blog: "A Marine advising the president would help weed out the BS. Might make me want to actually vote for a Democrat."
FUN BUT IRRELEVANT ITEMS
1. Limbaugh called anit-war Vets like Zinni the "phony soldiers" - talk about unpatriotic!
2. Close with Wes Clarke
3. And for all those empty-headed war-mongers, he co-authored a book with Tom Clancy. How's that for catering to the gun-toting Appalachian and Southern White Males?
CONS
1. Voted for Bush in 2000 but admitted he was wrong
2. Said he never wanted to run for public office
3. Outspoken . . . can he stay on message?
4. Not sure whether he's aligned on other important Dem issues
5. How does he feel re "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"?
Thursday, July 21, 2005 Micah 3:5-12
Mirror, mirror on the wall,
Can you see our nation fall?
Headlines scream of our decay.
Is there any hope today?
Smog doth blind and traffic choke,
Wages bind and buildings smoke.
Welfare roles are soaring high,
And hard drugs cause one young to die.
Villains are heroes on TV
While legal loopholes set them free.
“Morality” is a foreign word,
Love with marriage is absurd.
Campus riots, no-win war,
Busing is a festered sore.
Candidates are often shot
When they seek a major spot.
Highjacked planes, a lefty press,
Schools are in an awful mess.
Mirror, mirror on the wall,
Is there any hope at all?
–Author unknown
Taken from www.ttb.org
There is only one choice. A demographic, party line, campaign fund raiser bombshell: MICHAEL BLOOMBERG, Mayor of NY. Lets see if Obama really has any intelligence or if he's really as dumb as Kerry.
read his books
read his HASC testimony BEFORE the Iraq War
listen to UTUBE speeches
wes clark is ahead of the curve and the real deal
Additionally, she can and will win over the Hillary supporters.
With that in mind, selecting a VP and losing one senator and gaining the White House is far better than losing the white house to McCain.
Keep in mind the main topic is the supreme court.
I personally would pick someone that can help win the White House in November. At this point, Evan Bayh of Indiana is the best choice.
It comes down to picking someone that can scoop up voted from the center and possibly from the right as well as pick up a Red State... Indiana is perfect for that. He is very much liked by the GOP in that state.
Those 11 electoral votes being removed from McCain pile and put into Obama's pile creates a 22 point difference.
It is worth the replacement of a senator. If by some horrible outcome that Obama doesn't win in November, Bayh hasn't lost his job as a senator!!
We will still be 54-45.
True, there are several people that have said that they aren't interested.
Webb, Strickland...
They all look good, but that doens't mean that they would be a first choice.
(I would consider Webb, Sibelius, and Bayh).
Of those left over it is down to Sibelius and Bayh...for me anyway.
Name recognition, background, AGE !!!, and also pick someone that people WANT to be the VP.
Sorry but Clinton couldn't see herself in #2 spot. Obama couldn't stomach her now either - back seat drivers make everyone sick.
Besides, she is one person that the GOP just loves to hate for no reason. Why drag that crap back out again.
OBAMA/BAYH 2008/2012
BAYH/?? 2016 and 2020.
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Your so busy giving Ronnie a hard time. I would like to know what has Obama won. He didnt even win the popular vote. Witch was so important when Obama had it. But your so typical of a Dem. You'll make fun of someone spilling, because you have no ideas, so you act like your better. But you know what Sal, your not, Your Typical....
The only one I'm excited about is Hagel - but he's perfect for Secretary of Defense only.
We need some boldness people - a real Dick with major credentials like Richard Clarke. Even SenatorClaire McCaskill has more balls thant anyone other than Hagel, including Obama.
Democrats aren't wimps like Harold Ford Jr. or Joe Lieberman - I'll take a Russ Feingold or Robert Wexler anyday over a million Evan Bayh's.
Crossovers and Independent's value courage over party. Democrats refuse to acknowledge that at their own peril.
Besides, would you choose for your VP someone who in a round about way suggested that things happen to people, such as getting shot, so she shouldn't quit her bid for the democratic nomination?
He is the best .
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